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Phalaenopsis Belina Fungus

Discussion in 'Orchid Species' started by Sara, Nov 7, 2012.

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  1. Sara

    Sara New Member

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    Hello, my name is Sara and i am new to this amazing world of orchids.

    My brother ( that also likes the orchids flowers, but doesn't admit:rolleyes: ) offered me a Phal Belina that unfortunately was 9 days inside a card box.

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    Unfortunately all the leaves of the plant show this kind of fungus, i suspect of a fungal infection but i dont have any fungicides with me, so i searched on the net and i found several cinnamon recipes.

    I would like to ask if it is ok to emerge the roots in the cinnamon solution without affecting (what it seems to be ) a flower spike:

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    Thank You.
     
  2. lepetitmartien

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    too bad…

    It's not fungal, but a bacteria. Certainly Erwinia (soft/brown rot).

    Clean as much as you can, spray with a cinnamon decoction, treat cuts with cinnamon. Keep it separated and on the dry side (if it's possible for a Bellina…), no water on the leaves, and in the lower temperatures for the Phal (22-23°C).

    Do not spray the roots with cinnamon!

    You can use a copper compound as prevention, but it may impair the flowering, which is right now not the most important thing unfortunately.

    This stuff can spread fast, you already started to act the right way, cut any sign of it on the spot.

    The damages you show on the 3 last pics can be Erwinia, or can be some mechanical damage. If it spread, it's Erwinia.
     
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    You can find more info here (if you read one thing, it's the Erwinia part on the disease section, and the excellent pdf of Mrs Sue Bottom), I've summed up the most important.

    I hope you'll stop this thing and enjoy the flowers as soon as possible :D even if it won't be this time which is a possibility. :-/
     
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    Welcome to both of you. Great post on the issue here.
     
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    Thank you for the very useful link and question.
     
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    Mr Lepetitmartien, thank you very much for your help, i will do exactly what the PDF of Mrs Sue Bottom advice.

    Unfortunately the plant was also shipped with a Phal Amboinensis that until now shows no signs of contagion, i will keep my eyes on the amboinensis too.

    Regarding the Phal, i will try to find liquid copper if i cant i will try physan instead, but it will take a while...
    About the infected leaves, if i see that the bacteria is spreading i will cut the same leaves (and that means all the leaves of the plant):(

    Also, should i clean the roots with tepid water and repot the plant with new substrate?
     
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    Torrish and Marni thank you for the reception.
     
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    What you have here seems characteristic on a plant that has traveled too wet with the leaves packed tight inside a plastic sheet... looking at the pot I can venture it comes from a big "manufacturer" maybe one in Asia ( meaning the plant has really being pushed to grow fast) even if you think you bought it locally and perhaps the nine days you mentioned were not the only traveling it got recently...

    So yes, do cut anything( the leaves) that is wet and spongy, the problem being that bellinas don't grow that many leaves. Do not cut all the leaves! leave at least one if possible.
    then you can apply some cinnamon as suggested ( it is the Swiss knife and placebo of many an orchideist so why skip it? )

    Using a cooper base fungicide like the ones you often find ready made for roses won't kill the rest of your plant and in many cases it is extremely helpful but just not in your case in my humble opinion.

    There is little else to do but warmth, some humidity and last but not least a little air circulation on the remaining leave...
    you have to watch for the coming leave..:)

    If you get to that step, later on you can envision re-poting. Although very cool people like Jerry Fisher advice using only sphagnum moss with bellinas , some others have noticed they also grow well with a little top layer of moss and the rest of the pot filled with fir bark medium grade ( and a little moss); do not use a huge, huge pot right away, you need to be gradual.

    Sorry I am not giving advice I just discovered over the net...;) good luck with your plant.
     
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    Ok, i cutted two leaves, the one in the 3rd pic ( i noticed that the bacteria was spreading down trough the leaf) and i also cutted the first one counting from below in the pic nº 4, it had a lot of bacteria pigmentation hidden and was in contact with the roots, only two remaining.
    Well, i already boiled the cinnamon solution, i am going to wait one day and then i am going to filter the solution and spray the plant, i just "hope" the Phal survives...

    Thank You.
     
  10. lepetitmartien

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    When you cut, cut down about 2-3cm from the infected zone. It'll leave some estate for the Phal to live with and will avoid the part already infected you can't see, as it's systemic.

    A variant I forgot (you can do later if it's still at work unfortunately, no need to wet once you already applied cinnamon) :

    You can spray the leaves with hydrogen peroxide. Use 3% peroxide (or 10% with twice its volume of water). it'll kill all anaerobic bacterias which is the point here. If a zone bubbles, insist till it's not bubbling anymore. Do this in the morning so it can dry, and get the eventual rest of water out of the leaves (return the plant and let fall)(yes, the hands should make sure the bark stays in the pot ;)

    After this, you can apply the cinnamon on the cuts and later spray with the cinnamon decoction
     
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    Cinnamon decoction:

    3 tea spoons of cinnamon powder in a tea bag (or equivalent)
    let it infuse 24h in half a liter of alcool 70° (preferably isopropyl, but if you can't have it, some Cooper medical alcohol will do)
    Agitate during the 24 hours…
    remove the bag.
    spray when needed :)

    fungicide, bactericide, insecticide, acaricide, desiccant.

    Do not spray the roots! (desiccant and root growth inhibitor)
    Don't spray a dry plant, not under the sun/extreme heat.
     
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    So, i boil the alcool at 70º and only after i infuse the cinnamon???


    You all too kind:)
     
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    No, it 's done cold. If you boil the alcohol you'll have something without the qualities to extract the molecules we seek in cinnamon and no more alcohol (plus it's dangerous! Alcohol can catch fire.)

    Just let the cinnamon in the alcohol for 24h in a closed recipient, and shake once in a while. Hop it's done. Hop to the spray can. It's just that simple.

    I don't know where you got the idea to boil something, but it's not the case in any procedure here. :)
     
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    Right, sorry, i just "mixed" some thoughts with the boilling issue.
    Yesterday i sprayed the leaves with the hydrogen peroxide/water solution, tomorow i will aply the cinnamon decoction.

    Lets wait and see...

    Thank You