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Orchids Interactive remains a great place

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Uluwehi, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. MiKa

    MiKa Active Member Supporting Member

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    I have to learn how to quote and stuff
     
  2. MiKa

    MiKa Active Member Supporting Member

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    I have followed this forum from the outside since the beginning

    If the "unique and mature flavor" you prise was this:
    http://www.orchidsinteractive.com/showthread.php?9676-Bulbophyllum-peltopus[[/URL]
    Then I'm very glad things have changed here.

    / Mikael
     
  3. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    Well said, Mikael! I found that thread utterly appalling. If you're back, i'm glad. I think we all missed your fantastic creations and plants. Love to see some updates on the nano-vivs and other projects.
     
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    EdM Member in Good Standing

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    You both are kidding, right? I see nothing wrong with that exchange. That thread is actually quite mild and tame compared to conversations at AOS judging or the local orchid society.

    Perhaps you've never had a lively confrontational-type conversation between family members or dear friends?

    I was speaking of unique and mature orchid experience and knowledge as opposed to run-of-the-mill neophytes and know-nothings. People who have had 20 to 40 years of hands on and wide ranging experience.

    Enjoy your new forum.
     
  5. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Thank you for your good wishes, Ed, I am enjoying the forum very much. Apparently, you and I just have a different point of view.

    I don't think you have to have been growing orchids for 20+ to have something of value to say. Some things only come with experience, others are an intrinsic part of one's ability to observe. In the 32 years I've been growing orchids I have known a significant number of long-time growers who didn't know squat. Here and elsewhere I have met people with just a few years who had a great deal to contribute and I am happy to learn from anyone I can. One of the great things about orchids is that you can never have them all and you can never know it all.

    I hope you find a forum that offers what you want.
     
  6. EdM

    EdM Member in Good Standing

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    Marni, what are you talking about. I hope you get the forum you deserve.
     
  7. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    The statement that you see nothing wrong with that thread just makes me think you and I have a different point of view. Perhaps the young man didn't understand that he was being dismissed, ridiculed and insulted, but others did understand that. Apparently Mikael noticed it. MrB felt the need to comment on it at the time. I certainly didn't appreciate it. The attitude that someone with less experience couldn't possibly know something is sad. And if you think the person is wrong, why not say you disagree and explain why. That's what I call a conversation. I don't think incivility is necessary or productive. There have been several times when I backed off from participating on OI because of threads just like the one Mikael linked to. Personally, I won't miss them.
     
  8. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    And just to add a little bit more fuel to the fire. The kid that was being attacked for his supposedly unfounded and apparently incomprehensible assertion that the problem with the blasting bulbo spikes might be from the metal tip of his sprayer, informed me in a PM that the respected grower that gave him the idea was none other than Andy Phillips himself! Perhaps Andy doesn't rise to Ed's standard of orchid knowledge and experience?

    Anyway that isn't even the point. The kid was just trying to help. For that, he was thoroughly slammed. I thought he showed amazing restraint in not revealing that point (which would have made the dissenters look like the bafoons they were acting like). And he showed remarkable restraint by not stooping to their level when he repeatedly (and politely) tried to defend himself.
     
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    Read fast, this will be deleted quickly, I’m sure.

    WRONG. I pander to no one. I would have had the exact same exchange with Andy P. himself, who may have big greenhouses with lots of orchid species but is sure as hell no chemist or practicing scientist. That’s one of the big problems in this hobby, when people try to give actual scientific info and dispel myths you get this reaction. I have heard so much dumb shit come out of the mouths of “experts” it’s appalling. RO/DI water sucks nutrients out of plants? Are you jerking me? In fact, not only does Andy P. frequently misidentify orchids (that both Jon and I have corrected him on in the past), but he managed to kill off imports of B. dischorense by the dozen. How come I can keep one growing and blooming in a fish tank with a big snake?

    Andrew took it like a man and a good sport. I’m not sure the same would have happened with Andy P. Is this in bad taste? Yes. Do I give a crap? Nope.

    Enjoy your porn spam.
     
  10. xmpraedicta

    xmpraedicta Prairie angraecoid nut Supporting Member

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    Why should anyone need to 'take it'? I'm in a discipline that has an extensively long history of shame based learning, and even we don't talk to people the way you do...and we deal with people's lives.

    I have worked as a practicing scientist, and I understand that 100 anecdotes don't equal evidence. But the point of your comments weren't to communicate this message in a helpful way - it was to flash your credentials and put down someone who isn't as educated as you. That's not cool.

    Oh, and this is a plant growing hobby. We don't have peer reviewed literature. Isn't this entire forum is based upon the sharing of anecdotes and poorly controlled experiments anyway?
     
  11. mrbreeze

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    Well said, Calvin. And you're right Chris, he took it like a man. And you dished out his medicine like a boy. Grow up.
    Don't you have some fridges to dismantle or boring snake vids to post on a forum that you actually like?
     
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    Awwww how adult!
     
  13. T. migratoris

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    This forum's starting to take on an interesting new dimension ... can't quite put my finger on it. Anyone else notice it?
     
  14. Uluwehi

    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    You mean more angraecoid people and the addition of some new, knowledgeable contributors? For me that is a silver lining coming out of this.
     
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    Yes ... that ... but there's something else I can't quite nail down. Can't quite get a grip on it ....

    New dynamic notwithstanding however, I sincerely lament the loss of Dale. Perhaps irreplaceable.
     
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    I was not aware of all these underpinnings until my desire to investigate a heavily trafficked thread. I sometimes think its a detriment that orchid people are so different, but that can be quickly forgotten by images of well grown plants and sincere interest. Back to the other sections of the forum I go.
     
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    Marni, you have been a member of this forum since 2008. After all that time were you not aware of the nature of this forum? This was a "no bull-shit zone" forum. That's what made this forum different from most all other forums that repeatedly have false and misleading information posted and it goes unchallenged. This forum was well-known for its unrestrained challenge of ridiculous notions, lies, and bad science. It was sometimes rough, confrontational, and rude. The notion that a metal nozzle tip could poison a finicky orchid species is idiotic...its pure poppycock...no matter who said it. You say that you were appalled at the rude confrontation with Andrew? That would be like spending four years frequenting a whore house and acting appalled to find out that sex was going on there. Lol.
     
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    Oh lord. I restrain myself from doing any more comments in this matter. It just became to low and silly =)