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Discussion in 'Wanted' started by Tom-DE, Mar 18, 2013.
don't want to sound stupid but what is the poe???
POE = Pacific Orchid Exposition, an annual event in San Francisco.
I don't know if you got your den bellatulum with the red lip in the end. But i have just had flasks of it delivered if that helps
I got a flask of this some years ago but it turned out to be the standard form. Hope yours turn out to be true as it is a beautiful thing!
Andy, thanks for the PM(about Phal. parishii) and your suggestions here. Also thanks for the photo of the alba variety...., I have not gotten my red lip bellatulum yet. However, as I mentioned on my original post of this thread, I am looking for trade(exchange plants) with someone here in U.S., not buying or asking a source for import and export. Thanks though.
I plan on buying out whatever the Asian vendors bring to the POE. Likely, they are of the same strain of the ones I posted earlier this year in this thread. If that happens as I envision I will help you out Tom. Hopefully I can set some pods this year and start the breeding program.
I love the bellatulum, are they hard to locate?
So I did do the things I said I was going to do (what I could do at least).
This is what happened:
I asked as to whether the plants from Tropical Exotique (where I got the last saturated red from) were from Laos (as per Andy in this thread). He said his were the Laotian form and were likely to be red. However, he looked at me to help me understand me naivety and said 'do you think I haven't already selected those out for myself?' Which means, the Taiwanese are going to utterly control that market before we ever get a chance.
I did come away a little less than 20 plants though. Maybe statistics will work out, but they have been severely lowered past what I imagined the genetic potential might yield to that form. In postulating with Mahmut(sp(guy that was at POE)), we discussed the environmental factors that might influence a redder lip. Obviously it would be a function of anthocyanin production. We both understand the colder you grow a cuthbertsonii or coccinea the deeper red it can become. It hadn't occurred to me that the same is true for light levels as the plastid is increasing in the system to assist in UV protection. Leading to the conclusion (and terrible business plan), if you want red bellatulums grow them as bright and as cold as they will take.
I also did set a pod. Not of the best 2 that I have (and not from the chemically treated ones either), but maybe the statistics will be better with a larger sample size.
So my question, Daniel, is how much was he selling them for at POE?
To which, they are blooming size plants (without roots and in dormancy). If you're going where I think you should be going with this; "what is the point in breeding, growing and selling these if I can only get twenty bucks for a blooming sized plant?" I don't know. Vanity vanity vanity?
Daniel, maybe Alan would go there, but clearly, you have never seen me shop. I just wanted to know how much more I paid for the selected ones I bought. His name is Manote.
I talked with Manote about this last weekend in SD as well. Now I know where they all landed before I could get one. If I am not mistaken he stated that there was by now means a guarantee that they would be the desired red form lacking any orange or yellows. The picture he showed me that he said was from the same batch was close but I wouldn't consider it to have a pure red lip. I don't have the pic but the color transitioned from red to yellow lacking any orange. The yellow was rather subtle and short. As mentioned the culture may impact this but I am also under the impression from two others who live near the region that the red lip form is/was found in consistent populations that are in a unique locality in Laos. which is extremely outcollected and will shortly be listed as CITES App. 1 making them far less available.
He said if you can find the one you want for Redlands to get it then b/c there may not be another chance.
I asked about bellatum fma. album and he belted out a hysterical laugh. It was quite something.
Don't worry about it, Daniel. If sometime down the road I happen to find one(see one in bloom in person), I certainly will add it to my collection.
Ruined am I.
Thanks, I only heard you say his name actually when we were looking through his plants last month. I hope thats understandable that formulating the spelling through the phonetics of hearing the name once or twice.
I wasn't correcting you, Daniel, just answering your question about spelling that I inferred from the "sp" you had after his name.
He is one not to mind from what I have gathered. It took a few times for me to get it right also. I was quite impressed by him and he speaks excellent English for those interested in working with him.
Marni, I prefer to be corrected! The ruined issue is the one where I automatically jump to the farmers logic whether a crop is worth it or not.
hi there mate but it is in the DNA i would think as i grow the thai ones and the laos ones not 5 meters from each other and every year the red flower red and the orange flower orange.