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Cattleya dolosa

Discussion in 'Orchid Species' started by tenman, Oct 5, 2012.

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  1. Oct 5, 2012 #1
    tenman

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    A charming little species in the walkeriana group, it is larger but the flowers are a similar size.

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    Roy

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    Not a species any more, once thought but now listed as a primary/Natural Hybrid between walkeriana & loddigesii.
     
  3. Oct 6, 2012 #3
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    Actually it's just the opposite; long considered a possible natural hybrid it has recently been accepted as a species in its own right.
     
  4. Oct 6, 2012 #4
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    RHS Registrations list it as a Natural Hybrid even when its been used as a parent plus Kew list of Monocots say so too.
     
  5. Oct 6, 2012 #5
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    whatever its beautiful!
     
  6. Oct 8, 2012 #6
    tenman

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    Unfortunately those two 'sources' are laughable (RHS is not a taxonomic authority for anyone) as their errors are more legendary than anything else.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2012 #7
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    Its beautiful whatever it is :)

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  8. Oct 9, 2012 #8
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    I would not call the Kew list of monocots a "laughable source". As the plant kingdom is enormous there is bound to be errors in such a list.
     
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    As said above, right or wrong, they are the ONLY bodies that are recognised and all orchid names are taken from. Anything different is incorrect and not official.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2012 #10
    tenman

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    Sorry, but utterly incorrect. Only correctly published descriptions and revisions by taxonomists are official. Anything else is just hearsay. Kew lists hundreds of debunked and incorrect, discredited "species", synonyms, and spurious species. And RHS is nothing but a presumptuous, poorly organized and run pedestrian excuse for a record-keeping body. Neither is relevant to an academic discussion.
     
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    Roy

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    I'm sorry you feel that way, its just that you CAN'T register an orchid name with anyone else. Whether it be right or wrong, they have all the power in what something is known by. Until such times as Taxonomists provide evidence that a plant is incorrectly named or known by or a true species or natural hybrid, nothing will change. As you feel so strongly about this issue, put it in front of a recognised taxonomist for review and advise the RHS of the findings. Otherwise, all of your concerns in debating this matter will be in vein. The plant will remain listed as Natural Hybrid for ever.
     
  12. Oct 10, 2012 #12
    Magnus A

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    I am curious to know how you believe things work. KEW´s list of Monocot is a service to the public where they try to follow the latest science that Taxonomists provide in the peer-review litterature.
    There is NO system that a Taxionomist report to KEW, it is KEW´s boards that has to follow and value the scientific litterature. Of course it will take a time before they can change a name and they also need to conclude that a change is valid.

    IF you are correct about C. delosa, and the scientific community have accept it as a species, it will in time be listed as a specie in the Monocot list! Especially as it is a Cattleya, as the Cattleya´s are under revision.