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Ancistrochilus rothschildianus (and a thom)

Discussion in 'Orchid Species' started by mrbreeze, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    Managed to screw up the white balance in the middle :bang:
    And one quick pic of the thompsonianus which is also blooming.
    AngsYancistrochilusApril2012 005.jpg AngsYancistrochilusApril2012 013.jpg AngsYancistrochilusApril2012 015.jpg
     
  2. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Is the thompsonianus from a seedling or did you get it as a mature plant? And how are you growing it? Good going.
     
  3. T. migratoris

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    Geez ... you have a way with Ancistrochilus. LIke Marni I'm anxious to hear how you're growing it. I've gotta do something different with mine for sure.
     
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    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    Wow, Breeze Man! What beauties you've grown.
     
  5. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I've gone from killing rothchildanus to keeping them in a perpetual state of circling the drain. I bought a flask of the thomsonianus from Meyer's Conservatory and replated some of them. The ones I took out died very quickly, but the ones in flask are doing great. Thing is, I'm afraid to take them out. So tell us the secret, again.
     
  6. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    I'm always shocked when people say how hard they find these. It must mean that they prefer lower humidity, poor quality light, not a very good temp drop at night, and decent water quality with little fert. :p

    But seriously, since I grow them inside, that's pretty much what they get. They definitely seem to be much happier in a shallow plastic pot with LECA or similar on the bottom and a layer of sphag on top. Either with drainage holes a bit up the side or very few small ones on the bottom.

    My original thom came from Hoosiers as a plump fat single bulb and the roth came from H&R as a multi-bulb division. I do think they are much easier once they get a bit of a fattened bulb. I killed a jillion with the two flasks I got from Troy after selfing the thom. In fact, only one tiny seedling left alive. Once they get to bulb size though, they couldn't be easier.
     
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    That makes my head hurt.
     
  8. gnathaniel

    gnathaniel Lurker Supporting Member

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    Beautiful plants! Thanks for the culture info, too. Perversely, in a way I now feel MUCH better about my own failure to keep more than 1-2 roth seedlings from a Meyers flask alive past 6 months... :bang:
     
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    I think I killed my roth. I'm down to one rootless, leafless, green bulb. :mad:
     
  10. xmpraedicta

    xmpraedicta Prairie angraecoid nut Supporting Member

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    If a piece of the thomsonianus drops off...*raises hand*
    I find these easy to grow too but they don't always bloom for me...my two bulbs made 3 new bulbs each, but no blooms this year. I also give mine poor light, low humidity, and I randomly forget to water too...Did you repot yours? Wasn't it growing in a more shallow tupperware before?
     
  11. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    Ummm, I think I only repotted the roth from the way that H&R was growing it. As I recall the bulbs were growing out of the pot so I potted up. I don't see how the depth could make much difference. I'd just adjust the layer of well draining media on the bottom to suit the depth of the container, if you use my method.

    Goods, they do go kind of deciduous so the leaf loss might not be so bad. Rootless...on the other hand...could be an issue. Try just nestling it into a bit of sphag that stays fairly moist. It might bounce back.
     
  12. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    MrB, what is the temperature range you have them in? In the center image, is the hole I see on the side where the water level would be or are there holes on the bottom too? Do you change the culture in the winter? I am determined to get this right.
     
  13. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    Checking out the forum on my phone. Will give a good reply when I'm back in town.
     
  14. theLab

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    Killing the seedlings of Anc.thom?? - we have several hundred of those. Whilst serving botanical gardens and some private people there would be enough for refunding some to you, Mister storm and breeze. Gardeners are sleeping on my doorstep for just one seedling but they don´t get them. :)
     
  15. mrbreeze

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    Ok so I used to water primarily by soaking and would put my entire tub of A. thom in the larger tub of water, soak for awhile, then repeat a week or so later. In the winter I would soak much less often. Gradually I've stopped soaking and done more spraying. The A. thom did better with soaking than it does with (overall drier longer) intermittant spraying.

    Temps are house temps. Never higher than 85 in the summer and really not much lower than 75. In the winter, occasionally over 75 with lows of about 60 +/- a few degrees. Definitely drier in the winter what with the forced air heat, low humidities, and less frequent watering. I have a humidifier running off and on nearby but that doesn't begin to maintain what I would consider adequate humidity.

    They are supposed to be deciduous and naturally grow on large branches near the trunk on deep African jungle trees. So I imagine that being fairly shady and with little or no direct water but with a good amount of water flowing down the trunks of the trees and over the branches. So I try to simulate that situation with the LECA in the bottom of a shallow pot with moss on top (figuring the moss acts like the natural detritus, moss, and othe crap that would accumulate on a thick tree branch).

    There's really not much else to say about it. I can't imagine that intermediate temps in a gh with occasionaly pot drenchings following by a good drying, and a drier winter rest, will not result in success!
     
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    your Anc. thoms are about to be distributed among several Botanical Gardens within Europe, MBreeze. Spreading them among usual cultivators would mean to support any weird hybridism-trials among rothschild. and thomson what is to avoid from my side, at least at the moment. The seedlings incline/-d to spotted leaves inside the flasks already, some seedlings have been affected others directly neighboured stayed clean. So likely there is already a selection happening among healthy clones and those who seem to be more sensitive. The last seeds of your batch have been sowed out this March to care plants maturing successively and do not develop all at once. Protocorms were sent to Australia 2 years ago, so I think widely spread due to your readiness. Unlikely we are going to lose this species within the next years.
     
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    I got a flask of thompsonianus from Troy, but sadly due to a stuff up with the phytosanitary papers (the agent didnt fill them out right), the flasks had to be potted and put in quarantine here in Australia for 3 months. Needless to say, I got 1 seedling back and pray it lives.. Is there any chance to get some seed MrBreeze? Its actually legal to send orchid seed to Australia without any papers. Amazing as we need a document for just about every other matter haha.
     
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    If you ever flask thompsonianus Marni, please let me know. Brett
     
  19. Marni

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    Hi Brett, welcome to OI. I took out 1 of the two I had replated and have to take out the other soon. I'm trying to wait until dormancy, but I think I'll have to do it sooner as I see some contamination. Some survived from the first flask, but I need the MrB's magic touch to get them to thrive.
     
  20. mrbreeze

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    Well, in theory i could probably send some seed. However it would be many many months from now. My plants are just in their early stages of regrowth after last year's growing season and loss of leaves/blooming. So they will have to grow new leaves, bloom, be pollinated, set a pod, mature, and be harvested. Obviously that could be a very long process so you might be better off searching elsewhere. Feel free to remind me again in a few months. By then I should have matured leaves and (potentially) emerging spikes.